I sniffed around the edges of Flickr for several years. At first I didn’t really get how it operated, then I didn’t feel I had a need for it, and I found it overly large (and that was several years ago). Maybe it was a small thing like the design as well. There are so many sites, and for some reason Flickr just didn’t appeal to me.
Then a friend recently commented to me that they had put a lot of their pictures up and was getting good feedback. This intrigued me a little, as community and interaction are always two things I chase on the net. Information I look for when I need it – it’s there already in absolutely overwhelming amounts. But a good community of people interested in photography on a deep level is somewhat harder to find.
So I tried it out. By that I mean I posted a bunch of my images to see how the site functioned, and I looked around a lot at the various groups and how people commented on images. My investigations lasted only a half dozen visits or so before I started to get a bad taste in my mouth. I started to notice the preponderance of “Awards” given to photographs. You know – like “Your photo is so freaking cool, you can join our exclusive group for Too Cool photographers”. My overwhelming impression was that it was a great big back patting fest. So I just stopped visiting the site. (On the internet you simply vote with your mouse. My pictures are still there, alone, unvisited and uncommented. I suppose I should go delete them…)
Don’t get me wrong. I like good feedback on my photographs. I am not immune to praise at all. I have a photoblog, and I greatly welcome all and sundry positive comments. But I had no desire to join this back slapping party. It all seemed so inanely superficial, and maybe worse, it seemed to cheapen the photographs themselves.
After reading Richard Tugwell’s blog I think I am realising why. I want a deeper critique of images. I want people to go past the initial 5 second appraisal and look at what the photographer is trying to say, and to look at how well they said it. The overwhelming amount of images on Flickr, and the overwhelming amount of images added each day, doesn’t promote that sort of photographic critique. Instead it promotes “flick’ing” through them, giving them the five second thumbs up or down. It promotes superficial praise and ego stroking. Now I know some people need that a lot. It’s very nice. In fact it’s fabulous to know that other people think you are a really good photographer. But nonetheless it’s not the sort of site I want to spend my time on. I want to learn. I like useful positive critique, from people who have clearly taken the time to absorb, ponder and analyse the meanings hidden in my images. In this bustling world, it’s probably asking too much, but I want them to care, not just summarily dismiss the image as crap, or praise it as a masterpiece (or lump it somewhere in the middle, which is a good tactic I suppose, because that’s where most naturally fall).
There are a lot of fantastic images on Flickr. My argument has nothing to do with the quality of the images. There are also loads of really bad ones. My argument is about the framework a website sets up in which we appreciate photography. In some ways it’s not really Flickr’s fault. They set up a great service, and that’s the way it has developed. Other sites have gone in different directions, like one I recently discovered called onexposure.net, which goes the other way and has moderated content (more on this in a later post). And there are a million other photography forums on the Internet, some of them clearly better than others.
I wonder if what I’m looking for exists at all. Or is it a change in the way people view photography I am really after? I want to explore this idea further, and I will also follow Richard’s lead, who is also discussing closely related topics on his blog. Let’s see where it goes.
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I’ve spent a lot of time at Flickr since I wrote this post, and I certainly have had my eyes open to the diamonds amongst the chaff. But my main point against Flickr is not so much with the photography, but with the way people use comments to get people to join their groups. You know – This is a fabulous shot and has been chosen to join the 20 best photographs of all time group… This is invariably highlighted by a massive icon of a gold cup or something similarly impressive. I have a friend who is almost pathologically needy in terms of praise required for their photography, and for people like that, flickr is the best thing since sliced bread. Whether they are good photographers is not the point (my friend happens to be very good), but it’s the social behaviour I find so disturbing. Also as a photographer, some people link their picture to up to 50 groups to get it seen as much as possible. Argghhh, it makes my skin crawl just to think of it.
But yes, there is a lot of great photography on there, and lately I am finding a lot of it without looking or worrying about the disturbing aspects of the site.
Apropos Flickr and internet photo sites, this post on “The Online Photographer” is interesting.
http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2007/10/how-to-use-flic.html
Kind of confirms my notion that they are all much of a muchness at the end of the day. The only thing Flickr has is that it’s unrestricted, meaning that, as this post indicates, you can choose which images/photographers you are interested in. The post also alerted me to many great portfolios on Flickr – something I’d always known, but keep forgetting. I think alot of photographers realise that whatever you think of Flickr it’s maybe one of those options you shouldn’t ignore if you want to get your work noticed. At the end of the day it’s really a huge link exchange. Still not much hope of in-depth critique though.
Nicely written Geoff – and that’s not just a pat on the back
I think there still are a lot of people who look at images and think about them. However they probably feel swamped by the overwhelming preponderance of sites like Flickr. The shame is that the internet is a great medium in which to get the sort of critique you want. The sort of thing you had to go and sit in on panels at photographic societies every once in a blue moon to get.
The key is to get people talking about photos, debating.